Comments on NorthNodeastrology.com: Scorpio North Node, Taurus South Node

Dear Elizabeth--thank you so much for all of your ...

2008-09-04T10:01:00.000-04:00

Dear Elizabeth--
thank you so much for all of your input. Too much fire, for sure. After I accomplish greater emotional separation, I may be ready for further investigation of 'what the h***' might have happened... The NN info is truly enlightening. yours, Shelly.

Hi Shelly~ Well what I see of most importance, t...

2008-09-02T08:23:00.000-04:00

Hi Shelly~
Well what I see of most importance, that is a red flag of sorts, is that Mars/Pluto conjunction. That usually suggests a struggle between the two of you, and it can be very intense. You can always work to build bridges between you two, but for me, there's too much "fire" here...I'd be afraid of getting burned! Also I find the relationship between the planets, rather than the angles, to be most important. ~elizabeth

shelly wrote:>Maybe of real note (??) >is that in ...

2008-09-01T13:23:00.000-04:00

shelly wrote:
>Maybe of real note (??)
>is that in one type of 'composite' chart (??),
>'our' shared NN is Right on my Pluto/AC.

So of course I just now notice also that our shared Moon is only 3 degrees off of my personal NN (shared moon is 8 degrees Scorpio, my NN is 11 degrees Scorpio...). Another indication of my strong entanglement?
Shelly.

Dear Elizabeth--so taking your advice, I fooled ar...

2008-09-01T13:11:00.000-04:00

Dear Elizabeth--
so taking your advice, I fooled around some with a synastry chart. No Moon/Pluto aspects that I can see (I rate myself a 'dangerous' beginner in astrology...). But I do see alot of Pluto action: his Pluto is right on my Uranus, and his Mars is very near my Pluto. Fire, fire. Is it important that his AC is on my IC, that my MC is on his DC??

Maybe of real note (??)
is that in one type of 'composite' chart (??),
'our' shared NN is Right on my Pluto/AC.

I'm imagining that this speaks more of the strength of my draw into the relationship than of any shared dynamic?

maybe I'm more confused than I was before...
all the best, Shelly.

Hi Shelley~ Interesting situation, and you seem ...

2008-08-28T11:28:00.000-04:00

Hi Shelley~
Interesting situation, and you seem to have a great attitude towards it. If later you want to look at his chart in more detail, you might want to have a synastry chart done...I do those charts especially when I hear the word "dangerous" ---or you can look too to see if there are Moon/Pluto aspects that wave red flags.....~elizabeth

Thank you, Elizabeth, for this work, and thank you...

2008-08-28T11:21:00.000-04:00

Thank you, Elizabeth, for this work, and thank you all fellow NN Scorpio folks. Your essay and this blog is proving useful and intriguing, not to mention timely... (found by occult research, of course!)

I never really considered why I am so Very domestic, yet I have never felt the pull to own a place of my own-- or even to fantasize about one, really. One way that I look at this home/security/tranformation/depth dialectic is to see myself a nomad. I put good effort into making a solid, comfy, and very functional 'camp' anywhere I live, but living out of a suitcase for 6 months does not seem to phase me, even at this late phase of my life...

I have NN 3rd House, Scorpio, and SN 9th House, Taurus. (and Pluto, AC, Moon, Mercury, Mars, & Sun !!! in Virgo.... a whole nother story).

BIG recent NN/SN example: My ex-partner's internal dramas kicked me out of the house not 7 months ago. No truth there, no no no. messy messy truth. And though my heart is broken, I also feel a solid OKness: no regrets, it could not have gone any other way, I did what I could.

These writings help me to understand my strong strong pull to understand his depths, to get in there and to shine a light-- despite the danger to all parties. I'm playing with the idea of a Scorpio NN life-path, rather than a broken heart or attachment theory or simple thwarted desire for love and intimacy. Fate brought us together in a big way, and then blew us apart, also with some fireworks. Still standing though, Scorpio phoenix flying close overhead.

p.s.-- hey Shannon in Montana (7.24.08). I now live just outside of Bozeman on a small farm! drop me a line:
seh@teleport.com.

hi all, great to read ths blog. Iam double Sag. wi...

2008-08-20T22:28:00.000-04:00

hi all, great to read ths blog. Iam double Sag. with NN conj.Neptune, sq. Venus, part of fixed grand cross, in 12th. I could really relate to what Neith said re: Scorpio/ Tarus axis. I live in a cabin on a lovely bush block, which my soul and body require as balance for all the other paths I am required to traverse. I was really depressed as a kid as even tho' I lived on a large block, I alwas needed at least 25 acres to cover in a morn!.when living in cities, I have always grown things to get some earthing. I could not live like that now tho'. BTW, it was definitely a SAg, who pointed out the Emperor was in the buff! LOL.I have often worked with needy people, and sometimes this mainly feels like a karmic chore, altho' I have come to realize that I enjoy giving some form of service. i have always been psychic, growing up in an age when it wasn't even recognized and I was forced to try and learn it myself. I have studied tarot now for man years and have had a keen interest in astrology as well. i seemed to be able to materializewhat I need with no problems, but have times n my lie where the rug is pulled out from under my feet, and I literally have to rebuild, and start life over, and I realy feel the phoenix rebirth. my life has been different, tough, lonely at times, but, with a strong Uranus as well, I could only do it my way, and have become much sronger for it. Now I enjoy my company and my path, and feel joy that I know I still have so much more to learn, and to teach as I'm learning it, Jen

Elizabeth,What a clever find, your website has bee...

2008-08-15T18:00:00.000-04:00

Elizabeth,

What a clever find, your website has been! I plan to dig further, with delight. Thank you so much. Your words and keen insight ring true to me. I am most grateful, and honestly floored that you have responded. Yahh!

Compassion for the self is a rather odd challenge for one to have. I need to remind myself of it's importance daily. I am at ease with mystery, often able to peek underneath, or peel away layers to get a better look. But this one has me stumped.

The wheels are turning....better leave it here, or I'll write a book.

Thanks again for your words and all you do!
-Silver

Hi Silver~ We have reversed Nodes, and also Sun ...

2008-08-13T09:12:00.000-04:00

Hi Silver~
We have reversed Nodes, and also Sun in Libra. I was profoundly moved by your response; you are very articulate and I love the wisdom and humility...like "Phoenix out of self-started fires"...wow. I can relate to that too. I'm so glad you're bringing so much consciousness to your life, and hope you will continue to bring compassion for yourself and your journey always into the picture. I suspect you have a lot to give. ....fondly, ~elizabeth

Bless you!This topic is exactly what I've been loo...

2008-08-13T03:59:00.000-04:00

Bless you!

This topic is exactly what I've been looking for, answers and relief. I lost my blueprint, owner's manual, compass, and it would be just like me to sign up for this.

I am NN(22)Scorpio,11th /SN Taurus,5th. Paired with, Asc-Sag, Sun-Lib, Moon-Can, etc. I stay confused.

When I was a child, the loss or removal of material things from our home would send me into inexplicable despair. It's kinda funny now. Had to get over that one (or transfer it to people instead- oops). Wow! Makes sense. Not to mention my stubborn streak. Poor Mom.

Also, I have always had a pronounced affinity towards nature. Every day spent indoors, feels like a waste. I have this image of "the good life", with gardens, a country home, lots of animal helpers, children, painting ...sigh.

But there is a stronger voice urging me on to something much less cozy. Like the passionate demanding, sting of those marked by Scorpio. Only, thanks to benevolence elsewhere in my chart, the only one gettin stuck is usually me.

That is, if others are polite enough to overlook the razor on my tongue. I never know when I have drawn blood. If it's the truth, I sometimes err in assuming it was also obvious.

It is fair to say that I have been obsessed with finding my life's work- since childhood. Mostly it has plagued me. Miss Libra can never decide. Is it important enough, practical enough, or fulfilling enough to please my high standards?

The concept of using Taurean talents, (like the ones my Saturn in Leo has been demanding I use, or else), along with serving the world at large, sounds like an excellent recipe for relief. Or at least a mean to shoot toward.

I have been the phoenix many times out of self-started fires. I am beginning to get the swing of accepting change. I trust that I will survive.

When I was young, I worried that I had not experienced darkness. I knew it was necessary to being a full person. It's my dear friend now. My own travels into the dark night have helped me form genuine compassion for others. I have even had dreams about battling dark forces and sharing the light I saw in them until they transformed!

I find the eagle symbology especially moving. I'm a long, long way off from that stage. But as a role model and birthright, it resonates deeply. I'll have to think on it. (And then get on with it, Ha)

Putting these elements together, makes sense to me. Healing balm, really.

Thank you so much for sharing this!

-Silver (for ID, ref.)

Thanks, Elizabeth. I will definitely keep an eye o...

2008-08-05T01:42:00.000-04:00

Thanks, Elizabeth. I will definitely keep an eye out for the article on Neptune if you decide to write it. As for how mine is aspected? My Neptune is in my first house, it's in Sagittarius, and I also have the aspect "13 Sextile Neptune - Pluto".

I've been told before that this placing may have caused me a few identity struggles in my life, and I guess that's true up to a point. However, I suppose I've chosen to look at it as an ongoing journey of self-discovery as opposed to an actual "identity crisis".

Hi Shannon~ What an interesting story, and I ca...

2008-07-28T07:51:00.000-04:00

Hi Shannon~
What an interesting story, and I can tell you are a good writer and researcher just by your post. So...yes, the Universe nudges us and thrashes us at various times, and it's all about our response and the ideals and visions we hold for ourself. I'd be very curious how your Neptune is aspected, as I think we benefit greatly by using the intuitive/visionary/dreaming-into quality of the sign and house placement of Neptune. I'm thinking of writing at least an article on using one's Neptune---so check back to www.elizabethspring.com in a week or two. Also look how you can best hold a vision for yourself by understanding Neptune's placement in your chart. Sounds like you are doing some thoughtful self-inquiry....elizabeth spring

I have a North Node placement in Scorpio as well. ...

2008-07-24T21:19:00.000-04:00

I have a North Node placement in Scorpio as well. (I've been told in the past which house it's in, but I don't recall it at the moment.) My sun is in Pisces, my moon is in Leo, and my rising sign is Sagittarius.

As far as how I think my North Node placement has affected my life? Well... let's just say that drama and upheaval follows me around much to my great dismay. I am definitely a Pisces in the sense that I am very shy and quiet. I don't really like attention or the spotlight, and I definitely go out of my way to avoid any kind of drama, but those things tend to find me anyway whether I like it or not.

I am definitely feeling my South Node in Taurus tendencies as well in that there has never been a time in my life when I wouldn't have been satisfied to just live out a peaceful, humble existence in a little house somewhere as long as I had an opportunity to paint pictures and write stories and poems. However, I haven't been able to make that happen no matter how hard I've tried... and when I start getting close to having what I THINK I want, I still oddly feel like something's not quite complete. When I first heard about the concept of nodes last year, I began to gain some insight as to why.

It seems like every time I'm getting to a point in my life where I ought to be feeling pretty settled and secure, something comes and yanks the rug right out from under me. Among other things, I've become estranged from my family through a set of VERY bizarre circumstances, I've wound being forced to make a number of drastic moves in my lifetime under bizarre circumstances as well, and nothing ever seems to gel for long from a professional standpoint at all. I have to wonder if all Scorpio North people experience "shoves" from the universe to quite this degree and if there's any way I can get things to calm down a bit.

As far as other ways I see Scorpio North manifesting in my life, I definitely have an investigative spirit. I can sit and do research on any subject for literally hours and be having a ball, and recently I've been finding a small amount of success writing articles that require much research. It wasn't even something I realized I was so good at. I also think I have the spirit of a healer. I definitely don't feel like I'm whole unless I'm doing something with my life that I feel betters the world and helps people in at least a SMALL way. I also seem to attract people to me no matter how hard I try to avoid attention or notice, which seems odd because some people can't seem to get noticed if they stand on the table and jump around naked. (I understand this can be a Scorpio thing.)

One of the other commenters mentioned something about whether or not living close to the land can help satisfy at least some of the South Node Taurus cravings. This is odd because I am facing yet another "under weird circumstances" move -- this time from Connecticut to a small town in Montana -- and I will definitely be in a position to get close to the land in this way. (For some reason I've always had a strong fascination with gardening, farming, and ranching. South Node at work, I guess.) In the past, I've always been focused on the idea of making a lot of money so I can BUY the security I crave and trying to gravitate toward big cities instead, but perhaps that's been part of my problem. I wonder if this could be the universe's way of trying to give me a nudge in the right direction, since I seem to not be hearing. It would be interesting to know what other Scorpio North Noders, or people who know better than me on the subject, think about this.

HI Anonymous! You have a valid question here, and ...

2008-03-29T08:40:00.000-04:00

HI Anonymous! You have a valid question here, and this is where there are no quick answers---this is where the art of a chart reading comes into play...we'd have to look at what's in your 9th house? What does the whole chart look like and yet keeping in mind that the house positions are the weakest thing in the chart....and that the 4th house has to do with HOME in a very broad way...it also has to do with your personal mythology...how you tell the story of your life. In truth, I believe that you need to have a reading that synthesizes all the parts...including aspects and rulers of the Nodes. ~ elizabeth

This is so great to read.I am a NN in Scorpio, and...

2008-03-29T02:04:00.000-04:00

This is so great to read.
I am a NN in Scorpio, and SN in Taurus, but I'm confused about it, since my NN is also in the 4th house....
So my NN in Scorpio is the one that gives me that yearning for travel, adventure, intensity... For instance, I would love to live in another country, and travel from place to place and so on. But my NN placement in the 4th house tells me otherwise! Tells me that I should find my roots in my own country... So I'm confused here... travel or not travel, live somewhere else, or put more attention at home?

Also, my SN is in Taurus in 10th house.... If somebody could give me some light on this... Thanks

Hi, Elisabeth,and thank you for the interesting an...

2008-03-05T12:33:00.000-05:00

Hi, Elisabeth,
and thank you for the interesting and inspiring article on Scorpio in North Node!

I also have my SN in Taurus in my 8th house and my NN Scorpio in my 2nd House. I agree with anonymous that: 'the learning for me it seems is rather to provide my own security through my sense of well being'.

But still the contradiction of signs and houses confuses me. So if you could say something to make it clearer to me, I would much appreciate it!:)

Hi Anonymous'! Thanks for posting...yes, I like s...

2008-02-23T09:13:00.000-05:00

Hi Anonymous'! Thanks for posting...yes, I like saying that the house is the arena or area of life where the action is happening, and the sign is the qualities. Ah....and I don't feel that I can do a good analysis of a chart, with Nodes, unless I see the whole picture; the whole chart. And that is what I do for a living! I spend hours talking about it with a client, so it just feels overwhelming for me to try to post a detailed response.....
More later~ elizabeth

oh!... while i posted this, the previous anom post...

2008-02-22T14:12:00.000-05:00

oh!... while i posted this, the previous anom posted again... so when I refer to 'previous post', I mean previous to previous post..!!!

i guess thats the problem with 'anom'... theres more than one :)))

hey,this follows on from the previous posting, its...

2008-02-22T14:10:00.000-05:00

hey,
this follows on from the previous posting, its the same blogger again... (btw - apart from the previous anom, I have never posted on here, just to seperate me from any other 'anom') - I have to add that upon further research I read

"If the NN is in the 8th house, and SN in the 2nd, it works much like having the NN in Scorpio and SN in Taurus. However, if NN is in the 2nd and SN is in the 8th, then it’s more like NN in Taurus and SN in Scorpio, except that the signs are the qualities with which we approach the affairs of the houses in question. The signs are our biases; the houses are the arenas of life where we do our sign thang"

I simply had to add this, as it resonates a lot more with me...and helps me to understand things more clearly - esp with 3 of my natal planets in my 2nd....

the learning for me it seems is rather to provide my own security through my sense of well being... so in essence I am working with both aspects of the whole SN/NN 2/8th houses....

This is also of special interest for me within the whole metaphysical realm, as I am learning that it doesnt matter how hard and persistently you work, if your inner self (inner confidence/beliefs) do not believe you are worthy, then this will be represented within the material world...

so in fact it is like dropping the solid base for the unknown, yet learning through the unknown that the solid is build through confidence and ones self...!?!?

so in fact all in all it all fits together in a weird puzzle!!.... like a circle..!!

I just wondered if anyone else with a NN is in the 2nd and SN in the 8th has experienced this strange contradiction?

Thank you so much elizabeth for your kind help! :)...

2008-02-22T13:37:00.000-05:00

Thank you so much elizabeth for your kind help! :)

hi,I have my SN in Taurus in my 8th house and my N...

2008-02-22T12:35:00.000-05:00

hi,
I have my SN in Taurus in my 8th house and my NN Scorpio in my 2nd House.
I also have a natal sun-conjunct pluto in my 1st house (SUN, MARS & PLUTO all in Libra in the 1st as well) and I have my natal URANUS, VENUS, MOON in my 2nd houses

and I find many contradictions with myself...

I do the whole believing in my truth bit by following my artistic ambitions, yet at the cost of little material benefits, - but I do feel my SN Taurus perhaps keeps me logged into a battle by trying to achieve a level of material security within the artists world by never giving up within this creative world....

- with my sun conjunct pluto, I feel this also adds fuel to the fire and the persistent of "never giving up until I have achieved this financial success"...

I also have my saturn in my 11th house, so this i feel adds a need to achieve within my artistic world, that bit more emphasised perhaps??

right now I have saturn transits my 12th house and I feel I am dying and being reborn and being asked to detach myself from my past. Having spent the last 9 years of my life slaving away artistically - I feel my rewards should arrive, though after my first solar return just completing, I am being asked I believe to drop all expectations.

I think a major lesson with all this is perhaps to learn that sometimes the rewards are in the 'doing' of a process and that the buddist mentality of having no expectations is one of great weight. It is also the great paradox of when you give up all expectation from doing that you receive your reward.

Hmmm.... just wanted to add all that.... I'm not an astrologer, but having Scorpio my moon, venus and uranus in scorpio and sun conjunct pluto in the 1st - I do delve into the metaphyscial realms... and just wanted to share my experience...

not sure how accurate my definitions are... so any help here in clarifying some of this stuff would help (moon in 2nd - touch of doubting myself perhaps?) :))

Anonymous~ OK--N.Node in Libra in the 8th house is...

2008-02-21T19:08:00.000-05:00

Anonymous~ OK--N.Node in Libra in the 8th house is still a Libra NN, but the area, the place, the environment, in which the your 'North Star' Libra is operating is in that 8th house where transformative, mysterious, sexual, legal, and situations involving others money and values hit home to you. There is a big difference really and too many people and writers have tried to lump the sign and house together to make it "easier" but it's not the way it is! Just have to stretch your imagination a little more to see how you might bring Libra values into 8th house scenarios....really a rather good placement because of the concern for fairness and seeing both sides of an issue.....hope this helps. And later on, I think it would help to talk about transiting nodes....~till then~elizabeth

I have NN in Libra but it is in the 8th house. Doe...

2008-02-21T18:57:00.000-05:00

I have NN in Libra but it is in the 8th house.

Does this mean that i have a libra NN or a scorpio NN??

Just confused :)
Could you please explain?

Thank you for this, Elizabeth (and Neith). Beauti...

2008-02-10T09:45:00.000-05:00

Thank you for this, Elizabeth (and Neith). Beautiful. Having North Node in 8th - though not in Scorpio - I resonate very much to what has been written here, particularly Elizabeth's first and third paras.

I will be returning to re-read this I know.

Hi Anonymous~ All nodes are retrograde because t...

2008-02-09T13:30:00.000-05:00

Hi Anonymous~
All nodes are retrograde because they all travel that way in our charts! They are naturally retrograde...naturally perhaps because they are an inner process......~elizabeth